01.04.08
Iowa Part 1: Stick a Fork In Who? (Updated)
(Check out Part 2 for my take on Huckabee)
I only have a minute to write this morning, but I just wanted to make a quick comment regarding the chatter (especially with the Politico smear job) about Fred being “done” going into Iowa last night.
Well, I guess Fred showed them!
A third place finish is a good thing, and something Fred Heads can be proud of. It leaves room for momentum. Remember, Huck has set a precedent now and the only place he go is down. There are advantages to being a step or two from the top in the beginning.
From a conservative view, the fact that Huck beat out Fred and Romney is somewhat concerning. Has Iowa gone the way of compassionate conservatism? Look at the economic facts on Fred and then compare them to Huckabee. They hardly look like they came from the same party. Fred even blows Romney out of the water, which again begs to ask what the future of the GOP holds for us conservatives.
I can’t find a YouTube link yet, but here’s a link to his speech at the end of the night from his campaign website. It’s truly tasteful and inspiring and worth a watch:
As for sticking forks in people, I would be tempted to jam a fork in Clinton, since (unlike Fred) she has been running around under the assumption that she was untouchable and her success was inevitable. Is she done? Sliding in third under Edwards has got to be a real blow to her ego. I wonder if she can recover from this, or if this is the beginning of the end? Time will tell I guess.
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Arm Jerker J. said,
January 4, 2008 at 7:54 am
I’m kinda happy to stick a fork in Clinton, though as you know, I’m a Bill fan (no appologies here in the convservative blog!!!) and that was the only plus having her around. But I’m not sure about Obama either. But I think I’ll take him over Edwards when it comes down to it. Even though Edwards is kind of cute to me. hahaha. I’m prepared for my tearing apart now…haha.
in2thefray said,
January 4, 2008 at 8:59 am
It’s Iowa folks,they don’t make winners.
arclightzero said,
January 4, 2008 at 9:12 am
That is very true…
1980
George H. W. Bush (32%)
Ronald Reagan (30%)
Howard Baker (15%)
1988
Bob Dole (37%)
Pat Robertson (25%)
George H. W. Bush (19%)
Richard Gephardt (31%)
Paul Simon (27%)
Michael Dukakis (22%)
1992
Tom Harkin (76%)
Paul Tsongas (4%)
Bill Clinton (3%)
micky2 said,
January 4, 2008 at 10:59 am
If Edwards is cute then Howdy Doody is GQs man of the year. He’s a fucking dork mannequin.
Now, let me compose myself here.
(AJ, I know you heard this on your blog , but why type it over?)
Caucus.
Its like having the most popular high school in each state perform a test vote.
Iowa clearly showed us that part of the country is voting for reasons that go past sex and color. And no doubt we will have states that will do the exact opposite.
As a con I havnt really been too lit up about any of the top 3 yet. I’m disappointed that the dems didnt give Biden his due attention. He’s actually the one dem that wouldnt scare the shit out of me. Just a little piss. He has more experience on the hill and overseas than the top 3 dems put together.
But the silver lining is this.
Ron Paul and Kucinich are slowley being taken off the stage. Its time for the relevant players to come to the field.
America needs to be told one way or another that the Ron Paul idea of just packing it all up and coming home is really not what America wants. Maybe now these antiwar moonbats will see that there are very few people in this country who actually agree with them and they’ll shut up and go away.
alaskancamel said,
January 4, 2008 at 11:52 am
Micky,
I am not sure if you have seen my other postings on my political thoughts, but I am defiantly not an anti war moon bat. I respect and support our troops, and up until I read some of Ron Pauls stuff and a few more books by Ayn Rand I was 110% in favor of our overseas actions. Also, I live in Alaska where the military is the number two employer in the entire state. Its our bread and butter.
I do however think that Ron Paul might have the right idea about pulling out of the world arena. Its not anti war (I’ve always said kill em all), its pro economy. The amount of money we spend as a nation on overseas actions is staggering. That money is coming out of our pockets. I like to think that sometimes I am halfway smart, but I have to tell you, I cant even imagine in real terms what a billion dollars would buy. We are just funneling billions to other countries weakening the value of our dollar and taking money directly out of our hands and giving it to the rest of the world. Our actions are speeding up wealth distribution which is the number one goal of the liberals.
As for our safety as a nation, think about how safe we would be if our military was here protecting us? Let them be the TSA…no bad guys would get through then. Let them guard the border and watch the immigrant problem go away. Let us train them as we have been to be the greatest force to be reckoned with in the world so no one would dare to attack America on American soil again because they know they would not make it out alive. We have the best military in the world and we have them out solving the worlds problems, not our own.
As for not having a chance…I listen to a lot of talk radio and I hear on every show people calling in about Ron Paul. The moderator always says “we aren’t going to talk about him because he doesn’t have a chance”. I also hear many people say they would vote for him, but they don’t want to waste there vote. If everyone who wanted to vote for him did, and if the media would let people discuss his ideas he may still not win, but he could be at least a contender. His ideas are not insane, they are just what everyone has been brainwashed into thinking is anti American when really they are the most pro American out of the bunch.
That’s my rant for the morning (not necessarily my only one, but at least my first one). I know that the caucus doesn’t mean shit, but for someone who doesn’t have a chance, I am glad to see Ron Paul above Giuliani in at least one state.
micky2 said,
January 4, 2008 at 1:19 pm
As far as Paul goes the one thing that actually concerns me the most was his temperment at the first debate. He appeared off keel. A tempermental little bitch in my vocabulary. This of course would be tied to decision making under pressure. He looked like Barney Fife taking a constipated dump. I dont want him anywhere near the button.
Also , I have a computer and use it quite well for the tech ignorant 50 year old fart that I am. So the mainstream media is only a part of what I throw in my blender.
For the last 15 years I’ve lived by the saying, “dont believe anything you hear, and only half of what you see”. You can tell alot about a man by the company he keeps. I’ve debated and seen his company, no thankyou.
(”As for our safety as a nation, think about how safe we would be if our military was here protecting us? Let them be the TSA…no bad guys would get through then. Let them guard the border and watch the immigrant problem go away.”
Thats not going to help us in Pakistan when Al Queada steals it nukes and fires them at will.
If our oil interests are attacked it will cripple the country to the point of ruins. The Arabs need us to help guard against terrorists attacks on them for doing business with us and the oil they sell to us.
If terroristic elements get ahold of Iraqi oil the product of there fortune will be the death of alot of people.
I believe that we are not in the middle east for any other reason than to establish bases in which we can monitor these assholes and protect the oil we absolutly need. Hearts and minds ? My ass !
I agree with you on the border, you cross the line, you get shot.
micky2 said,
January 4, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Actally alaskacamel I’ve seen your postings and I dont think you are a moonbat.
alaskancamel said,
January 4, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Micky,
I have not seen the first debate. Any idea where I would find it? He is not concrete in my mind yet, so I would like to see all sides of his psyche.
As for oil, we could reduce our independence on foreign oil if these ass holes would let us open up more drilling in places where we have tons of it…ie here in Alaska. My two cents.
micky2 said,
January 4, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Yea I agree, but it will be years before we get to Alaska oil. Its the real moonbats that wont let us drill.And theres still Pakistan and Iraq to deal with.
I’ll look for the Ron Paul clip. I think it was one of the first CNN you tube debates. It was the one where Giuliani told him he should take back what he said or that it was one of the most redicilous reasons for 911 he had ever heard. I’ll go look.
micky2 said,
January 4, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Alaskancamel;
Heres one clip. It was Huckabee and Paul that got into it as well as Giuliani and Paul.
In this one it shows the beggining of the “unhingement”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVlG-FsL-7I&feature=related
The first half of this clip shows his demeanor as very emotional. Hands flailing , veins bulgung and the tone of voice. Its all vey scary to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQZeK6pKfOo&feature=related
mpinkeyes said,
January 4, 2008 at 3:02 pm
I think Hillary is done. I think Obama will carry momentum into New Hampshire and win here also. Then she will get real nasty. It’s going to be fu to watch. I think Mitt is in real trouble, he could very well lose to McCain in New Hampshire, and then that opens the door to the other candidates. I think Fred did better than I thought he would, he could gain some momentum, but I don’t think it will translate to much of a bump in New Hampshire.
Iowa Part 2: The Huckeye State? « Pro Patria said,
January 4, 2008 at 6:37 pm
[...] (Check out Part 1 for my general take as well as my shameless continued promotion of Fred Thompson) [...]
arclightzero said,
January 4, 2008 at 8:40 pm
It will be interesting to see what happens in NH. I’m not sure hoe McCain has any popularity anywhere - since he’s about as moderate as they come. He teeters on that mythical line between the right and left and depending on the how the wind blows he can fall on either side on the issues. That’s not a good thing.
More importantly, I am anxious to see what happens as the candidates start to fall off. If Fred can outlast Paul, will Paul’s rabid supporters go to Fred? If so, that may be a hell of a boost to Fred’s campaign and really propel him in the elections.
Since it is a foregone conclusion that Paul is not electable, I fear he is pulling a Perot here and pulling important votes away from other candidates. I think that - conservative policy wise - Paul and Fred are close and I think that Ron Paul’s supporters could find a viable and much more electable candidate in Fred Thompson.
Grizzly Groundswell » The Huckeye State? said,
January 5, 2008 at 9:55 am
[...] (Check out Part 1 for my general take as well as my shameless continued promotion of Fred Thompson) [...]
alaskancamel said,
January 25, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Too many times I have heard (and even said) that I would vote for “x” but they arent electable. We then get stuck with the same poloticians we always get that are running us into the ground. I have decided that I cant make everyone vote for who they think is best, but I am going to start with this election.
Google has interviews with various candidates. To date, Hilary has had about 80k views, Obama about 75k views, the Huckster about 20k views and Paul has had over 500k views. If people voted for who they thought was best, not who they thought would win, he might still have a chance.
Ryan said,
January 27, 2008 at 11:12 am
That’s true, and it pisses me off that people flock to candidates simply because they think that they are “wasting” their vote if they vote for somebody who supposedly can’t win. That’s the media’s horrible impact on politics, and I just don’t know how to get past that…